Survey says: Do something about it

June 27, 2008
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Bar associations survey their members to find out everything from salary to time off to satisfaction with the county judges. They publish the results for the world to see and sometimes, news organizations like us report on the findings. But then what?

The Allegheny County Bar Association in Pennsylvania is taking the results of its 2005 survey regarding disparity in pay between the genders and enacting an Institute for Gender Equality. The institute will offer programs about various topics like mentoring and work-life balance, track its participants, and follow up with them for feedback. The programs will begin early next year.

Bar associations and legal organizations across the country publish numerous surveys every year indicating the difference in treatment, pay, and work lives for female lawyers as compared to their male counterparts. It’s great to see a bar association take a proactive approach to attempt to eliminate some of the issues discovered or reinforced in the surveys.

Indiana State Bar Association Women in Law Committee chair Angela Hopper said the state bar is in the infancy stages of a program with the ultimate goal of something similar to what the Allegheny County Bar Association offers. The Women in Law Committee surveyed members in 2006 and 2007 and gave the results to the Judicial System Committee. The plan is to conduct similar surveys every couple of years, compare the results, and see what kind of programs need to be implemented, she said. The goal is to eventually come up with guidelines to address any inequalities and problems facing female attorneys.

Unfortunately, inequality still exists between male and female workers in all professions, and that’s why there is a committee for women in the law. Hopper did offer some hope for female attorneys in Indiana: based on the most recent survey, Indiana – as compared to the surrounding states – overall is a good state to practice in. Let’s hope future surveys continue to reinforce that finding and assist in closing the gender inequality issues faced in the legal profession.
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  1. So that none are misinformed by my posting wihtout a non de plume here, please allow me to state that I am NOT an Indiana licensed attorney, although I am an Indiana resident approved to practice law and represent clients in Indiana's fed court of Nth Dist and before the 7th circuit. I remain licensed in KS, since 1996, no discipline. This must be clarified since the IN court records will reveal that I did sit for and pass the Indiana bar last February. Yet be not confused by the fact that I was so allowed to be tested .... I am not, to be clear in the service of my duty to be absolutely candid about this, I AM NOT a member of the Indiana bar, and might never be so licensed given my unrepented from errors of thought documented in this opinion, at fn2, which likely supports Mr Smith's initial post in this thread: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1592921.html

  2. When I served the State of Kansas as Deputy AG over Consumer Protection & Antitrust for four years, supervising 20 special agents and assistant attorneys general (back before the IBLE denied me the right to practice law in Indiana for not having the right stuff and pretty much crushed my legal career) we had a saying around the office: Resist the lure of the ring!!! It was a take off on Tolkiem, the idea that absolute power (I signed investigative subpoenas as a judge would in many other contexts, no need to show probable cause)could corrupt absolutely. We feared that we would overreach constitutional limits if not reminded, over and over, to be mindful to not do so. Our approach in so challenging one another was Madisonian, as the following quotes from the Father of our Constitution reveal: The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse. We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties. I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power. All men having power ought to be mistrusted. -- James Madison, Federalist Papers and other sources: http://www.constitution.org/jm/jm_quotes.htm RESIST THE LURE OF THE RING ALL YE WITH POLITICAL OR JUDICIAL POWER!

  3. My dear Mr Smith, I respect your opinions and much enjoy your posts here. We do differ on our view of the benefits and viability of the American Experiment in Ordered Liberty. While I do agree that it could be better, and that your points in criticism are well taken, Utopia does indeed mean nowhere. I think Madison, Jefferson, Adams and company got it about as good as it gets in a fallen post-Enlightenment social order. That said, a constitution only protects the citizens if it is followed. We currently have a bevy of public officials and judicial agents who believe that their subjectivism, their personal ideology, their elitist fears and concerns and cause celebs trump the constitutions of our forefathers. This is most troubling. More to follow in the next post on that subject.

  4. Yep I am not Bryan Brown. Bryan you appear to be a bigger believer in the Constitution than I am. Were I still a big believer then I might be using my real name like you. Personally, I am no longer a fan of secularism. I favor the confessional state. In religious mattes, it seems to me that social diversity is chaos and conflict, while uniformity is order and peace.... secularism has been imposed by America on other nations now by force and that has not exactly worked out very well.... I think the American historical experiment with disestablishmentarianism is withering on the vine before our eyes..... Since I do not know if that is OK for an officially licensed lawyer to say, I keep the nom de plume.

  5. I am compelled to announce that I am not posting under any Smith monikers here. That said, the post below does have a certain ring to it that sounds familiar to me: http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnwonline/2014/0907/cardinal.aspx

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