Does Indiana have enough lawyers?

May 16, 2011
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Is Indiana hurting for lawyers? According to Indiana Tech, the answer is yes. The school’s board of trustees approved moving forward with creating a law school in Fort Wayne and hopes to enroll its first class in the fall of 2013.

In a release about the approval, one of the factors the school cited as a reason to establish a fifth law school in Indiana is that the state is underserved by the number of lawyers relative to our population and economic activity.

What do you think about that statement?
 

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  • too many lawyers
    I say go ask all of this year's graduates of the existing 4 law schools who dont have jobs if THEY think the state doesn't have enough lawyers.

    That comment is obviously made by a school who wants to crank out students for money without any regard to ultimately what happens to them, just like a puppy mill.
  • Enough!
    Many lawyers are already underemployed. Adding more will not help anyone
  • This is a joke isn't it.
    You can't swing a cat without hitting a lawyer...it is ridiculous to say there are not enough...very few recent graduates I know have jobs, most people are taking a year or more to get a job...we don't need more, but I am sure that won't stop acadamia from making more...they exist in a vacuum...maybe some of the lawyers who can't find work will be able to teach at Indiana Tech.
  • Absurd
    I know lawyers who graduated from Indiana law schoools in 2008 and 2009 who still don't have law-related jobs and on top of that, many that do are considerably underpaid and underemployed. And I'm not talking about people living in remote areas of the state. If anything, the number of people enrolling in law school should shift drastically down to meet the market.
  • Hard To Believe
    I would like to see the statistical study and the credentials and agenda of the people who conducted the study to support the conclusion, if a credible study was even conducted. Then I would like to see a study of what the taxpayers would be contributing to the project along with a credible cost-benefit study.

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  1. So that none are misinformed by my posting wihtout a non de plume here, please allow me to state that I am NOT an Indiana licensed attorney, although I am an Indiana resident approved to practice law and represent clients in Indiana's fed court of Nth Dist and before the 7th circuit. I remain licensed in KS, since 1996, no discipline. This must be clarified since the IN court records will reveal that I did sit for and pass the Indiana bar last February. Yet be not confused by the fact that I was so allowed to be tested .... I am not, to be clear in the service of my duty to be absolutely candid about this, I AM NOT a member of the Indiana bar, and might never be so licensed given my unrepented from errors of thought documented in this opinion, at fn2, which likely supports Mr Smith's initial post in this thread: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1592921.html

  2. When I served the State of Kansas as Deputy AG over Consumer Protection & Antitrust for four years, supervising 20 special agents and assistant attorneys general (back before the IBLE denied me the right to practice law in Indiana for not having the right stuff and pretty much crushed my legal career) we had a saying around the office: Resist the lure of the ring!!! It was a take off on Tolkiem, the idea that absolute power (I signed investigative subpoenas as a judge would in many other contexts, no need to show probable cause)could corrupt absolutely. We feared that we would overreach constitutional limits if not reminded, over and over, to be mindful to not do so. Our approach in so challenging one another was Madisonian, as the following quotes from the Father of our Constitution reveal: The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse. We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties. I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power. All men having power ought to be mistrusted. -- James Madison, Federalist Papers and other sources: http://www.constitution.org/jm/jm_quotes.htm RESIST THE LURE OF THE RING ALL YE WITH POLITICAL OR JUDICIAL POWER!

  3. My dear Mr Smith, I respect your opinions and much enjoy your posts here. We do differ on our view of the benefits and viability of the American Experiment in Ordered Liberty. While I do agree that it could be better, and that your points in criticism are well taken, Utopia does indeed mean nowhere. I think Madison, Jefferson, Adams and company got it about as good as it gets in a fallen post-Enlightenment social order. That said, a constitution only protects the citizens if it is followed. We currently have a bevy of public officials and judicial agents who believe that their subjectivism, their personal ideology, their elitist fears and concerns and cause celebs trump the constitutions of our forefathers. This is most troubling. More to follow in the next post on that subject.

  4. Yep I am not Bryan Brown. Bryan you appear to be a bigger believer in the Constitution than I am. Were I still a big believer then I might be using my real name like you. Personally, I am no longer a fan of secularism. I favor the confessional state. In religious mattes, it seems to me that social diversity is chaos and conflict, while uniformity is order and peace.... secularism has been imposed by America on other nations now by force and that has not exactly worked out very well.... I think the American historical experiment with disestablishmentarianism is withering on the vine before our eyes..... Since I do not know if that is OK for an officially licensed lawyer to say, I keep the nom de plume.

  5. I am compelled to announce that I am not posting under any Smith monikers here. That said, the post below does have a certain ring to it that sounds familiar to me: http://www.catholicnewworld.com/cnwonline/2014/0907/cardinal.aspx

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