The Indiana Judicial Nominating Commission Wednesday interviewed 10 semifinalists to fill the vacancy on the Indiana Supreme
Court created by the retirement of Justice Frank Sullivan Jr. Commission chair and Supreme Court Chief Justice Brent Dickson
opened the interviews by asking each candidate what factors he or she believed the commission should be looking for in a justice.
Below are the first six interviews. The interviews are scheduled to wrap up around 4 p.m.
Delaware Circuit Judge Marianne Vorhees said she had worked with eight different judges, and her experience
lent itself to the work of the state high court. “One of most important factors is someone who's open-minded and
willing to work with others” and doesn't come to the court with an agenda, she said.
She said independence and a willingness to admit you’re wrong also are important, as well as having someone who’s
independent but collegial.
Commission member Jim McDonald commended Vorhees' “stellar career” but asked why Vorhees, as an elected Democrat,
would expect Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels to break tradition and be the first governor to appoint a judge of another party.
“I firmly believe the people of Indiana in the end don't care whether the justice is a Democrat or a Republican,”
but instead would expect the justice to be the most qualified, she said.
Vorhees, when asked about a court decision with which she disagreed, cited the Barnes v. State decision, which she
believed overreached.
Asked about the importance of diversity, Vorhees said the commission should consider various forms of diversity, including
geographic and practice diversity. But she also said gender diversity was important.
“I never had anybody give me something because I'm a woman,” she said. “I think my application is strong
and I think it stands on its own.”
Asked whether the end result or law was most important, Vorhees said the law, and cited an example in which a high school
student with no criminal record was involved in an armed robbery with other young people and waived into adult court. He pleaded
guilty and was sentenced to six years executed at the Department of Correction. “I have absolutely no discretion; my
hands are tied,” she said. Even though the penalty didn't seem just, “You don't have any discretion to
disregard the law.”
Court of Appeals Judge Cale Bradford said he believed four things were most important in a Supreme Court
justice: a broad legal background; superior administrative skills; the ability to make fair and wise decisions; and an exemplary
temperament and collegiality skills.
“You need to have patience and respect for others' individual views,” Bradford said.
Bradford said he would bring to the court a breadth of experience in private practice, and as a deputy prosecutor, public
defender, trial and appeals court judge. “The largest and most complex cases this state has to offer were the kind of
cases I handled,” he said, noting cases involving the state's school funding formula, jail overcrowding and juvenile
justice reform.
“I don't think there's any better preparation for being a Supreme Court justice,” Bradford said of his
tenure on the COA.
Dickson noted Bradford's prolific work in the court, taking part in more than 2,300 decisions during his tenure, but
mentioned that the work of the Supreme Court entailed more joint work among the justices than Bradford might have been accustomed
to. Bradford said he would be willing to be where he needed to in order to serve the court and the state.
Commission member William Winingham noted that Bradford's energy and intensity sometimes could come across as less than
congenial, and asked Bradford to provide an example of a time when he had been “warm and fuzzy.” Bradford said
he thought people who watched oral arguments at the Court of Appeals would see that side.
“People who know me know I'm one of the most approachable judges,” he said. “It may feel intimidating,
but it's never meant like that.”
On diversity, Bradford said his background was an example of diversity that should be considered. While acknowledging the
importance of gender diversity, he said the quality of opinions was more important than what people looked like. “God
made me who I am; I do not question his plan,” he said.
Bradford called the Indiana Supreme Court the gold standard for the nation and said he'd be humbled to apply his energy
to the bench.
Indiana University Health general counsel Erin Reilly Lewis said personality was one of the most important
qualities in a Supreme Court justice. “When you have a team of five sitting around this very table, it does take personality,”
she said. “Someone with intelligence who's able to be a consensus builder.”
At 38, Lewis is the youngest of the 10 semifinalists, and Dickson asked whether she saw her age as a liability or an asset.
“I think those concerned about my youth can be quite assured I will soon grow out of it,” she said. “I think
the fact that I have done a varied amount of practice in my 13 years helps,” she said. She also noted that former Chief
Justice Randall Shepard was about her age when he was appointed to the bench, and her selection would allow her to dedicate
many years to public service.
Commission members also asked about Lewis' lack of trial experience and how she would get around that. She said she would
rely on the experience of fellow justices. “I think I look at the issues carefully and look at the parameters of what
you are reviewing as an appellate court judge.” She said she has the skills of a trial lawyer and can think quickly
on her feet. “I don't think I'm hindered by the fact that I haven't had a jury trial,” she said.
Lewis worked in private civil practice with the court's most recent appointee, Justice Mark Massa. Asked about someone
who she looked up to, she mentioned Susan Brooks, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana. Lewis worked
in that office for five years.
Lewis said justices should not legislate from the bench. When asked about a state Supreme Court ruling with which she disagreed,
she cited the case involving Brenda Moore, an intoxicated passenger in a car who had asked someone else to drive her
home and was found guilty of public intoxication. She said Justice Robert Rucker wrote a dissent in that case that spoke to
her about the possible implications were for people who had made the right decision but still faced punishment.
Geoffrey Slaughter, a partner at Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP, said legal ability, collegiality,
civility and respect for the court's institutional role were important qualities for a justice.
“It's tremendously important that everyone get along well,” Slaughter said. “It's important the
members of the court respect and appreciate each other's company.”
Slaughter said the Indiana Supreme Court has a distinguished reputation nationally that grows from the court carrying out
its mission of interpreting law as it was written and meant to be interpreted. “Reputations are precious and they can
be fleeting,” he said.
Commission members raised Slaughter's lack of trial experience and he said his experience in a number of civil and regulatory
matters in federal and state courts as well as the Indiana attorney general's office were valuable. He paraphrased Sullivan's
sentiment that if the court got something wrong, he slept well at night knowing the General Assembly was there to correct
a matter.
Asked about an area the court could improve, Slaughter suggested the possibility of hiring professional managers to oversee
some of the court's many administrative functions.
Allen Superior Judge Fran Gull said the commission should consider a candidate's prior experience, background,
talent, and ability to follow precedent. She believed prior judicial experience was important.
“The big elephant in the room you've all been talking about is diversity,” Gull said. And while gender and
racial diversity are important considerations, she said, “I don't think those are the be-all and end-all of what
you should be looking for.”
Dickson noted that nearly all of Gull's experience was in criminal matters, but Gull noted that she also brought a deep
pool of administrative experience. She said she thought her criminal law experience would complement the current justices
who have an array of civil, juvenile and other practice experience.
Gull stressed her experience with problem-solving courts and said drug court and re-entry court, among others, save time
and money and produce better outcomes for some offenders. She said every county should make such services available, but funding
and resources were an issue.
Asked whether the state and federal constitutions were organic, living, breathing documents or matters of strict interpretation,
Gull said, “I think there is room for both. It depends on the specific issue you will be wrestling with,” and
whether the framers faced those issues in their day.
“It's absolutely imperative that if precedent is there, it's incumbent on the Supreme Court to uphold that
percent,” she said. But where matters such as technology are concerned, justices need to evolve and change with the
times.
Benesch partner Andrielle Metzel said she had reduced the most important considerations in a Supreme Court
justice to four “C's”: competency, character, commitment and collegiality.
A justice should have the competency to carry out administrative functions as well as interpret the law. “This is not
all about cases, though that is a significant responsibility.”
Metzel said that through her work as a member of the Indiana Supreme Court Disciplinary Commission, she's had the opportunity
to address issues of character, which she said is “always on the forefront of my mind. ... It's very important for
us to uphold that integrity.” She mentioned a comment at a dinner party in which a friend recalled being on a beach
20 years ago when Metzel declined to have pictures or video taken of her because she hoped to be a judge one day.
Justices can be role models for judges and attorneys, Metzel said, by enhancing civility inside the courtroom and out. Providing
guidance on use of social media, for instance, and writing dissents that don't contain scathing critiques of fellow justices
can provide examples. “We see that it has a positive effect.”
In interpreting constitutional matters, Metzel said “my judicial philosophy is more conservative than not,” and
“adhering to the law and the Constitution as it is written is first and foremost to me. It's not within the scope
of the judiciary to change the way the Constitution operates even though times have changed.”
Regarding diversity, Metzel said the term has many meanings including professional experience. She said she didn't believe
that race or gender diversity was a core value that should be considered in the commission's deliberations for a justice.
Metzel also compared the challenges the court faces today to those from the early 1990s. She found in a review of the State
of the Judiciary from 1991 that said resources were tested by a recession and the technology on the march was that of fax
machines. “Today we're talking about Odyssey and using electronic documentation in court. ... I see this as an evolving
process.”














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